
In this episode, pastors Derek and Cliff continue their discussion of Joe Rigney’s book, The Sin of Empathy, and discuss why men must be sober-minded if they are going to lead biblically and effectively.

In this episode, pastors Derek and Cliff continue their discussion of Joe Rigney’s book, The Sin of Empathy, and discuss why men must be sober-minded if they are going to lead biblically and effectively.
Derek Brown is the general editor for WithAllWisdom.org. He is also pastor-elder at Creekside Bible Church in Cupertino, California, and academic dean at The Cornerstone Bible College and Seminary in Vallejo, California. He lives with his wife and three children in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Cliff McManis is pastor-teacher at Creekside Bible Church in Cupertino, California and professor of theology at The Cornerstone Bible College and Seminary. He lives with his family in the San Francisco Bay Area.
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